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Post by Beekster on Mar 11, 2021 16:28:22 GMT -6
Just wondering if there's anything at all on the civilian side that anyone knows about? Internet searches are coming up blank, but then again the kit is an odd scale for automotive guys. But perhaps perfect for me, to go with my logging yarder. Meng once had an accessory set for their 1/24 scale version but it is apparently no longer in production.
Absent that, does anyone on this forum work in forestry or construction or similar industry who might be able to provide some reference images? If I get one of these kits, I would like to add a headache rack and/or a large diesel tank in the bed with a filler nozzle and hose. Those seem pretty common for work trucks to enable the heavy equipment to be refueled without having a larger tanker on the work site
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Post by dogfish7 (R.I.P.) on Mar 12, 2021 9:23:36 GMT -6
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Post by JCON on Mar 12, 2021 10:22:10 GMT -6
Only finding the 1/24th scale extras kit like Bruce posted and it is pricey...
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Post by Beekster on Mar 12, 2021 11:41:49 GMT -6
Yeah, that's what I've been finding too...and this set is more geared to modeling a "lifestyle" truck, if you will, not a work truck. When this kit was released, it was intended to be a base for military versions in addition to the fancier civilian ones, and there was some grousing online about the grille and bumpers being wrong for the military/heavy duty/commercial types of truck and that simply removing the chrome plating and painting everything black wouldn't be right. That doesn't concern me too much; a purely civilian rig and relatively fancy at that could plausibly be the boss's own truck; more comfortable than the work trucks but still outfitted to do some hauling and fueling tasks for the crew as a whole. Some time trolling the interwebs for pictures is probably in order since it appears that anything I do will be entirely a scratchbuild proposition. Unfortunately the kit isn't a dually and nobody does a conversion; in that case the bed could be dispensed with entirely and a utility box fabricated. But somehow I doubt that many of those kinds of rigs are built on the lighter-duty chassis.
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Post by JCON on Mar 12, 2021 11:44:32 GMT -6
You are in for an adventure with this one Beeks!!!
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Post by Beekster on Mar 12, 2021 12:44:10 GMT -6
Joe, you nailed it. I haven't acquired the kit yet, but for me this is always how it starts...tossing around ideas and doing some reference research and picking the brains of those who are better informed than I, particularly when considering a subject outside my usual field. I need to nail down what model years this Meng kit represents, so I can look up the payload capacity and work out what would be realistic to have in it. I've started poking around for information on diesel fuel transfer tanks, which I figure must weigh a couple of hundred pounds empty for a large one. And diesel itself is a skosh less than 7 pounds per gallon, so an 80 gallon tank (for instance) would have 560 pounds of diesel. A Madill 071 has a 275 gallon capacity, so a truck fitted out like this certainly wouldn't fill it up but would keep it operating for a while. Neither the operator's manual nor the sales brochure list a figure for gallons-per-hour fuel burn while yarding, though. I can find consumption figures for the marine versions in offshore boats (10-25 GPH depending on RPM), but have no idea how that translates to use in equipment like a yarder. As you can see, it isn't just about the truck kit itself but rather what would be believable in a model.
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Post by JCON on Mar 12, 2021 13:58:23 GMT -6
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Post by Beekster on Mar 13, 2021 17:00:48 GMT -6
The commentary on Armorama when it came out indicates that it is a 2008-9 model; not being a truck guy I'll have to trust the judgement of those who pay more attention to the finer distinctions of model year variances. The kit is still very much a valid subject for a yarder-related collection. The Madill 071s were built 1975-85 and are still being used; the Oshkosh F-2365 (M911) tractors were built in the same era and retired soon after Desert Storm in 1990 and are still to be found on used truck websites. It wouldn't be at all unusual to have the newer pickup as part of the group. I suppose I ought to get serious about shopping for one...
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Post by BUCKY on Mar 13, 2021 18:48:57 GMT -6
Perhaps it could modeled as "The Boss's Pickup". Any type of extras would go, there. I worked on a construction job in Alabama where one of the companies on the job had a Lincoln Mark LT for the Boss's Truck! SNAZZY, indeed!!
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Post by Beekster on Mar 13, 2021 19:54:11 GMT -6
Yeah, that could be the direction; going that route would open up more color choices. A fleet work truck would almost certainly be basic white. Either way, a fuel cell for keeping the heavy equipment running in a pinch would make a lot of sense, along with tools and stuff. I see that a Shapeways vendor has a 1/35 chain saw, and another has an assortment of snatch blocks.
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Post by BUCKY on Mar 13, 2021 20:35:21 GMT -6
Sounds good, to me! That Mark LT was black, BTW.
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Post by Beekster on Mar 13, 2021 22:31:17 GMT -6
Sounds good, to me! That Mark LT was black, BTW. All of them were, Keith. I'm not a truck guy, but I know that one was a marketing failure with low sales. The permanent tonneau cover and carpeted bed made the truck just too effete and suburban, it seems. Truck guys may want their heated & ventilated leather seats and other comforts, but the rig is worthless if you can't toss a yard or two of gravel in the bed. More research seems to be in order...I should find an online copy of the original sales brochure to get accurate colors in case I should decide on a fancy version of the truck.
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Post by BUCKY on Mar 13, 2021 22:35:13 GMT -6
The one with the funny bed was called a Lincoln Blackwood. It looked more like a custom show truck than a practical hauler. Mark LT's are basically just gussied up Ford F-150's. They have a real bed out back.
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Post by Beekster on Mar 14, 2021 8:11:59 GMT -6
The one with the funny bed was called a Lincoln Blackwood. It looked more like a custom show truck than a practical hauler. Mark LT's are basically just gussied up Ford F-150's. They have a real bed out back. Oh, right....yet more proof, if any were needed, that I'm not a truck guy!
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Post by dogfish7 (R.I.P.) on Mar 14, 2021 9:32:33 GMT -6
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Post by Beekster on Mar 14, 2021 11:04:25 GMT -6
I may be crazy, Bruce, but not that crazy! No 6x6 conversion (which would require two kits); and probably no scratchbuilt service body. A fuel cell in the bed will be easy to fabricate, and so would a headache rack. Shapeways has a chain saw and snatch blocks, and a small toolbox (closed) would be easy to fab up, too. This kit might not have any dedicated aftermarket materials available, but the scope of a project is coming into clearer focus.
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Post by BUCKY on Mar 14, 2021 12:01:39 GMT -6
Not to mention whacking up a kit with a pretty steep initial cost! I have this pickup kit in 1/24 scale. Makes AMT stuff seem like bargain basement!
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Post by Beekster on Mar 14, 2021 13:17:13 GMT -6
Not to mention whacking up a kit with a pretty steep initial cost! I have this pickup kit in 1/24 scale. Makes AMT stuff seem like bargain basement! Pricing from China on eBay right now is running just under $34 including shipping, which I consider pretty reasonable. But not reasonable enough to buy two for a Frankentruck kind of thing which isn't really what I have in mind anyway. Meng also makes a military accessory set that has a couple of civilian style wheels & tires (strange; doesn't say what they come from), and rifles and contemporary food & drink coolers, jerrycans for water & fuel, and the like (not strange); and a set of clear plastic drink bottles. I need to start a list of possible stuff that could plausibly be in the bed, along with the fuel cell and headache rack. If I buy that Shapeways chainsaw, I will probably have to make some sort of case for it, posed open. As a kid I joined my father and an uncle on firewood cutting expeditions, so I know that nobody lets a chain saw just rattle around the bed of a pickup truck. Sitting in an open case, or on an open tailgate, that's fine...gives the impression of a particular instant in time.
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Post by JCON on Mar 14, 2021 14:55:30 GMT -6
I'm sure you will figure it out!!!
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Post by BUCKY on Mar 14, 2021 21:48:04 GMT -6
My dad had an old Clinton two-man chainsaw. It weighed a ton! He didn't get a case with it, so he built his own out of plywood!
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